<?xml version='1.0' encoding='UTF-8'?><?xml-stylesheet href="http://www.blogger.com/styles/atom.css" type="text/css"?><feed xmlns='http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom' xmlns:openSearch='http://a9.com/-/spec/opensearchrss/1.0/'><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22093933.post2173694442852748526..comments</id><updated>2009-06-08T10:45:17.020-05:00</updated><title type='text'>Comments on Deric Bownds' MindBlog: Languages shape the nuts and bolts of our percepti...</title><link rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#feed' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://mindblog.dericbownds.net/feeds/2173694442852748526/comments/default'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/22093933/2173694442852748526/comments/default'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://mindblog.dericbownds.net/2008/02/languages-shape-nuts-and-bolts-of-our.html'/><author><name>Deric</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/16617204535017208765</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email></author><generator version='7.00' uri='http://www.blogger.com'>Blogger</generator><openSearch:totalResults>2</openSearch:totalResults><openSearch:startIndex>1</openSearch:startIndex><openSearch:itemsPerPage>25</openSearch:itemsPerPage><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22093933.post-5401594552598112296</id><published>2009-06-08T10:45:17.020-05:00</published><updated>2009-06-08T10:45:17.020-05:00</updated><title type='text'>I've got a big problem with that "experiment". Col...</title><content type='html'>I&amp;#39;ve got a big problem with that &amp;quot;experiment&amp;quot;. Color, like sound, is something that most people don&amp;#39;t have &amp;quot;perfect pitch&amp;quot; for as adults. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&amp;quot;perfect pitch&amp;quot; with sounds and colors *can* be taught. The tonal languages of the Chinese have shown that they don&amp;#39;t vary but 1/8th of a tone from day to day (or even years) for the same tonal word. They have perfect pitch.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The same can be done with light. Exact wavelengths of light can be memorized just like exact pitch. If we practice enough.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But really... who in the world do you know that practices perfect frequency color matching? Not many people.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So to use blue and green isn&amp;#39;t a fair test. They&amp;#39;re too close even for languages that *make* the distinction. In fact, how our eyes even *see* a color is dependent on the context of viewing that color (for the most part). There have been experiments at UW where in one picture, a square looks yellow and in another gray, but it&amp;#39;s actually the same shade of green in both paintings.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I therefore can&amp;#39;t agree with the conclusion.</content><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/22093933/2173694442852748526/comments/default/5401594552598112296'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/22093933/2173694442852748526/comments/default/5401594552598112296'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://mindblog.dericbownds.net/2008/02/languages-shape-nuts-and-bolts-of-our.html?showComment=1244475917020#c5401594552598112296' title=''/><author><name>pamc</name><uri>http://pamc.livejournal.com/</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='http://mindblog.dericbownds.net/2008/02/languages-shape-nuts-and-bolts-of-our.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22093933.post-2173694442852748526' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/22093933/posts/default/2173694442852748526' type='text/html'/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22093933.post-8644149464309683570</id><published>2008-02-22T12:36:00.000-06:00</published><updated>2008-02-22T12:36:00.000-06:00</updated><title type='text'>"If we stopped people from being able to fluently ...</title><content type='html'>"If we stopped people from being able to fluently access their language, then the cross-linguistic differences in perception went away."&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Setting aside the question of how you stop people from doing this, I have to ask:&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;If you can remove a person's access to language, doesn't this still support the idea of hard-wired perceptions? Doesn't this simply make language a filter on our cognition, but not our perceptions?</content><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/22093933/2173694442852748526/comments/default/8644149464309683570'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/22093933/2173694442852748526/comments/default/8644149464309683570'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://mindblog.dericbownds.net/2008/02/languages-shape-nuts-and-bolts-of-our.html?showComment=1203705360000#c8644149464309683570' title=''/><author><name>Phlegm</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/00668815554095096297</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='http://mindblog.dericbownds.net/2008/02/languages-shape-nuts-and-bolts-of-our.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22093933.post-2173694442852748526' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/22093933/posts/default/2173694442852748526' type='text/html'/></entry></feed>